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		<title>By: Internet Time Blog :: Unconference round-up</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Mar 2007 03:42:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] BAR Camp was open to anyone who wanted to come. FOO Camp was invitation-only. They have different DNA; it&#8217;s not that one is good and the other, bad. See the BAR Camp story at http://internettime.com/?p=472 [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] BAR Camp was open to anyone who wanted to come. FOO Camp was invitation-only. They have different DNA; it&#8217;s not that one is good and the other, bad. See the BAR Camp story at <a href="http://internettime.com/?p=472" rel="nofollow">http://internettime.com/?p=472</a> [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Guy Dickinson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Guy Dickinson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Aug 2005 13:23:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Jay - long time, no comment...  I was waiting for your post on the opml meeting (as it&#039;s berkeley, I knew you&#039;d be attending :-) but didn&#039;t expect such detail - fantastic. Here are some thoughts for what they&#039;re worth. In an outliner, no less.

 FOOBAR:
* on motivation:
    bar camp was ostensibly a response to foo camp, not in a negative way, but the meme of the idea was there
    attendess can identify around a common cause and goal...positive reaction to the limited numbers etc. of foo.
    the camping story is fantastic - people are here because they LOVE what they do
    Also, on a day to day basis, geeks don&#039;t get to geek out as they would like - these conferences have the hippy love vibe because everyone gets to release pent up idea, rants, interests and proudly show off projects to fellow believers.
* knowledge &#039;show offs&#039;
Authority is decentralised - and respect is gained from provable knowledge sharing, not dick swinging.
Intellectual prowess not aggressiveness earns the stripes.


OPML

* Unconferencing
 Interesting notes on unconference - agree entirely, and it&#039;s a superb antidote to meeting sickness, except they often require a benevolent dictator to kick start and enforce.
* Benevolant Dictator needed?
  Listen to the &lt;a HREF=&quot;http://www.itconversations.com/series/bloggercon2004.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;audio&lt;/a&gt; from BloggerCon (Winer&#039;s original &#039;unconference&#039;) - it requires a heavy policing of the &#039;no commercials&#039; rule - reminds me of the stories I&#039;ve read about the hippy conventions...and how to deal with pollution from less than 100% believers.
 People attended opml show because of the cult of personality around winer, his ideas and you know it&#039;s going to be a fun evening. If the meeting was the demo only, minus Winer, would it be as popular? In companies, personalities are subsumed and hidden unless at c-level. Until companies
* Lessons for corporates?
 This is a toughie - being a bit cynical and british, I&#039;d say that most employees simply don&#039;t care enough about their stuff to develop the passion that we&#039;re seeing in the events above, but actually that would be untrue (and lazy). I just don&#039;t think companies have management confidence. What you&#039;ve shown is that managers need to &#039;move the furniture out of the way&#039; for their people to collaborate.
* Managers as enablers-  what can companies do to &#039;fix&#039; collaboration?
 Management has a role to play to enforce the democracy, ensure that people don&#039;t revert to powerpoint and provide the tools to share. Managers can play a powerful enablement role.
* Rally around a cause
The meetings you&#039;ve highlighted reacted/congregated around a straightforward goal (balls to foocamp, winer/opml is interesting) - but meetings in companies often don&#039;t try and generate a shared goal or develop a camaraderie.

* By the way, I loved browsing Winer&#039;s photos + ambient sound you linked to..fantastic...

* I really ought to move to the West Coast...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Jay &#8211; long time, no comment&#8230;  I was waiting for your post on the opml meeting (as it&#8217;s berkeley, I knew you&#8217;d be attending <img src='http://www.internettime.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' />  but didn&#8217;t expect such detail &#8211; fantastic. Here are some thoughts for what they&#8217;re worth. In an outliner, no less.</p>
<p> FOOBAR:<br />
* on motivation:<br />
    bar camp was ostensibly a response to foo camp, not in a negative way, but the meme of the idea was there<br />
    attendess can identify around a common cause and goal&#8230;positive reaction to the limited numbers etc. of foo.<br />
    the camping story is fantastic &#8211; people are here because they LOVE what they do<br />
    Also, on a day to day basis, geeks don&#8217;t get to geek out as they would like &#8211; these conferences have the hippy love vibe because everyone gets to release pent up idea, rants, interests and proudly show off projects to fellow believers.<br />
* knowledge &#8216;show offs&#8217;<br />
Authority is decentralised &#8211; and respect is gained from provable knowledge sharing, not dick swinging.<br />
Intellectual prowess not aggressiveness earns the stripes.</p>
<p>OPML</p>
<p>* Unconferencing<br />
 Interesting notes on unconference &#8211; agree entirely, and it&#8217;s a superb antidote to meeting sickness, except they often require a benevolent dictator to kick start and enforce.<br />
* Benevolant Dictator needed?<br />
  Listen to the <a HREF="http://www.itconversations.com/series/bloggercon2004.html" rel="nofollow">audio</a> from BloggerCon (Winer&#8217;s original &#8216;unconference&#8217;) &#8211; it requires a heavy policing of the &#8216;no commercials&#8217; rule &#8211; reminds me of the stories I&#8217;ve read about the hippy conventions&#8230;and how to deal with pollution from less than 100% believers.<br />
 People attended opml show because of the cult of personality around winer, his ideas and you know it&#8217;s going to be a fun evening. If the meeting was the demo only, minus Winer, would it be as popular? In companies, personalities are subsumed and hidden unless at c-level. Until companies<br />
* Lessons for corporates?<br />
 This is a toughie &#8211; being a bit cynical and british, I&#8217;d say that most employees simply don&#8217;t care enough about their stuff to develop the passion that we&#8217;re seeing in the events above, but actually that would be untrue (and lazy). I just don&#8217;t think companies have management confidence. What you&#8217;ve shown is that managers need to &#8216;move the furniture out of the way&#8217; for their people to collaborate.<br />
* Managers as enablers-  what can companies do to &#8216;fix&#8217; collaboration?<br />
 Management has a role to play to enforce the democracy, ensure that people don&#8217;t revert to powerpoint and provide the tools to share. Managers can play a powerful enablement role.<br />
* Rally around a cause<br />
The meetings you&#8217;ve highlighted reacted/congregated around a straightforward goal (balls to foocamp, winer/opml is interesting) &#8211; but meetings in companies often don&#8217;t try and generate a shared goal or develop a camaraderie.</p>
<p>* By the way, I loved browsing Winer&#8217;s photos + ambient sound you linked to..fantastic&#8230;</p>
<p>* I really ought to move to the West Coast&#8230;</p>
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