Comments on: Informal Learning – CLO April 06 http://www.internettime.com/2006/04/informal-learning-clo-april-06/ from Jay Cross and Internet Time Group Sat, 13 Mar 2010 14:23:14 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Learners Together » The Community Knows! Internet Messaging and Microblogging http://www.internettime.com/2006/04/informal-learning-clo-april-06/comment-page-1/#comment-2416 Learners Together » The Community Knows! Internet Messaging and Microblogging Wed, 16 Sep 2009 09:15:46 +0000 http://internettime.com/wordpress/?p=105#comment-2416 [...] Jay Cross of the Internet Time Blog makes the following three points: [...] [...] Jay Cross of the Internet Time Blog makes the following three points: [...]

]]> By: Mindcrossings.com » What informal learning techniques do you use to encourage innovation and performance in your organization? http://www.internettime.com/2006/04/informal-learning-clo-april-06/comment-page-1/#comment-541 Mindcrossings.com » What informal learning techniques do you use to encourage innovation and performance in your organization? Mon, 12 Feb 2007 18:51:59 +0000 http://internettime.com/wordpress/?p=105#comment-541 [...] According to Jay Cross’s new book, Informal Learning, we just no longer have the bandwidth to manage everything that comes at us on a daily basis; and it’s only going to get worse! [...] [...] According to Jay Cross’s new book, Informal Learning, we just no longer have the bandwidth to manage everything that comes at us on a daily basis; and it’s only going to get worse! [...]

]]> By: Wide Open Spaces » Wordpress as personal learning space http://www.internettime.com/2006/04/informal-learning-clo-april-06/comment-page-1/#comment-539 Wide Open Spaces » Wordpress as personal learning space Tue, 13 Jun 2006 13:38:11 +0000 http://internettime.com/wordpress/?p=105#comment-539 [...] My students are not at university level yet. They are from 13-17, are still learning the language and their parents have paid their bus fare to arrive at an expected destination (the baccalaureat) at a certain time.  They can get there as well by riding their own bikes, but inside the system we are today, many fear this may take much longer and will need a discipline and involvement they are not prepared to engage in. [...] [...] My students are not at university level yet. They are from 13-17, are still learning the language and their parents have paid their bus fare to arrive at an expected destination (the baccalaureat) at a certain time.  They can get there as well by riding their own bikes, but inside the system we are today, many fear this may take much longer and will need a discipline and involvement they are not prepared to engage in. [...]

]]> By: Dekita » Blog Archive » Wordpress as personal learning space http://www.internettime.com/2006/04/informal-learning-clo-april-06/comment-page-1/#comment-540 Dekita » Blog Archive » Wordpress as personal learning space Thu, 01 Jun 2006 13:31:49 +0000 http://internettime.com/wordpress/?p=105#comment-540 [...] My students are not at university level yet. They are from 13-17, are still learning the language and their parents have paid their bus fare to arrive at an expected destination (the baccalaureat) at a certain time.  They can get there as well by riding their own bikes, but inside the system we are today, many fear this may take much longer and will need a discipline and involvement they are not prepared to engage in. [...] [...] My students are not at university level yet. They are from 13-17, are still learning the language and their parents have paid their bus fare to arrive at an expected destination (the baccalaureat) at a certain time.  They can get there as well by riding their own bikes, but inside the system we are today, many fear this may take much longer and will need a discipline and involvement they are not prepared to engage in. [...]

]]> By: Administrator http://www.internettime.com/2006/04/informal-learning-clo-april-06/comment-page-1/#comment-538 Administrator Sun, 21 May 2006 03:57:07 +0000 http://internettime.com/wordpress/?p=105#comment-538 Whew! Way too much to respond to here, so I'll answer the comments that stick in my head. On this side of the pond, CIO = Chief Information Officer, also known as the head of IT (Information Technology). Stan, I remember your article. Something about pennies, wasn't it? I also plagiarize the best. Chas, what you describe happens all too often, but I'm not addressing only eLearning. Almost all top-down, learn-in-advance programs are ineffective. jay Whew! Way too much to respond to here, so I’ll answer the comments that stick in my head.

On this side of the pond, CIO = Chief Information Officer, also known as the head of IT (Information Technology).

Stan, I remember your article. Something about pennies, wasn’t it? I also plagiarize the best.

Chas, what you describe happens all too often, but I’m not addressing only eLearning. Almost all top-down, learn-in-advance programs are ineffective.

jay

]]> By: Chas Martin http://www.internettime.com/2006/04/informal-learning-clo-april-06/comment-page-1/#comment-537 Chas Martin Wed, 26 Apr 2006 05:14:03 +0000 http://internettime.com/wordpress/?p=105#comment-537 Maybe the problem is how elearning is created. From my experience, the process of creating anything worthy of attention takes an eternity to create and is so watered down by the time it's complete that no one can survive the boredom to absorb the information. Training development is like a tanker crossing the ocean at top speed. It takes an enormous amount of effort to alter its course. Innovation is not an option. If training developers cannot add spontaniety to their product, if there is no element of surprise, if there is nothing remotely entertaining, if there is no reason to stay awake, how can information be transferred? Until there is a quick, cost-effective method to churn training courseware with sufficient complexity and high information value, the low success rate cited will continue to prevail. See: What's the problem with e-Learning? http://blog.qmind.com/blog/2006/4/2/whats-the-problem-with-elearning.html Maybe the problem is how elearning is created. From my experience, the process of creating anything worthy of attention takes an eternity to create and is so watered down by the time it’s complete that no one can survive the boredom to absorb the information. Training development is like a tanker crossing the ocean at top speed. It takes an enormous amount of effort to alter its course. Innovation is not an option. If training developers cannot add spontaniety to their product, if there is no element of surprise, if there is nothing remotely entertaining, if there is no reason to stay awake, how can information be transferred?
Until there is a quick, cost-effective method to churn training courseware with sufficient complexity and high information value, the low success rate cited will continue to prevail.
See: What’s the problem with e-Learning?
http://blog.qmind.com/blog/2006/4/2/whats-the-problem-with-elearning.html

]]> By: Ulrike http://www.internettime.com/2006/04/informal-learning-clo-april-06/comment-page-1/#comment-536 Ulrike Fri, 21 Apr 2006 20:44:20 +0000 http://internettime.com/wordpress/?p=105#comment-536 Harold, you really got me curious here, all I got when clicking on the link above was: Not Found The requested URL was not found on this server. Please visit the Blogger homepage or the Blogger Knowledge Base for further assistance. The mms:// link gave me a "file not found" message. Ulrike Harold, you really got me curious here, all I got when clicking on the link above was:

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The requested URL was not found on this server. Please visit the Blogger homepage or the Blogger Knowledge Base for further assistance.

The mms:// link gave me a “file not found” message.

Ulrike

]]> By: Architelago » INFORMAL LEARNING http://www.internettime.com/2006/04/informal-learning-clo-april-06/comment-page-1/#comment-535 Architelago » INFORMAL LEARNING Fri, 21 Apr 2006 15:38:24 +0000 http://internettime.com/wordpress/?p=105#comment-535 [...] Jay Cross has written a nice entry on the impact of informal learning in the workplace.     "From now on, it might be more productive to think of learning as adaptation to change than as acquisition of knowledge. Learning enables you to participate successfully in life, at work and in the groups that matter to you. The faster the world changes, the more adaptation is required. Formal training programs are not the only learning game in town. CLOs who spend the bulk of their time improving the development and delivery of training might be optimizing the insignificant." [...] [...] Jay Cross has written a nice entry on the impact of informal learning in the workplace.     "From now on, it might be more productive to think of learning as adaptation to change than as acquisition of knowledge. Learning enables you to participate successfully in life, at work and in the groups that matter to you. The faster the world changes, the more adaptation is required. Formal training programs are not the only learning game in town. CLOs who spend the bulk of their time improving the development and delivery of training might be optimizing the insignificant." [...]

]]> By: Dick Boutwell http://www.internettime.com/2006/04/informal-learning-clo-april-06/comment-page-1/#comment-534 Dick Boutwell Wed, 19 Apr 2006 14:51:18 +0000 http://internettime.com/wordpress/?p=105#comment-534 great site and looking forward to more great site and looking forward to more

]]> By: Tribal Knowledge Training » How does your organization learn? http://www.internettime.com/2006/04/informal-learning-clo-april-06/comment-page-1/#comment-533 Tribal Knowledge Training » How does your organization learn? Tue, 11 Apr 2006 10:24:25 +0000 http://internettime.com/wordpress/?p=105#comment-533 [...] Jay Cross over at Internet Time has an interesting post about informal learning. [...] [...] Jay Cross over at Internet Time has an interesting post about informal learning. [...]

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