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	<title>Comments on: Pay for performance in life?</title>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
		<link>http://www.internettime.com/2008/03/pay-for-performance-in-life/comment-page-1/#comment-1245</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Mar 2008 21:54:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>we don&#039;t have to pay people to learn we just need to make learning more interesting. or, more accurately, we need to make kids think they are learning, but entertained like they were watching movies. give a kid a book and he&#039;ll find a place to put it. give a kid a movie or something on a iPod and watch how fast he loads in the TV or begins to scroll through the iPod. there is a site that is trying to make entertaining education: the Adam Smith Academy:
http://www.adamsmithacademy.org</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>we don&#8217;t have to pay people to learn we just need to make learning more interesting. or, more accurately, we need to make kids think they are learning, but entertained like they were watching movies. give a kid a book and he&#8217;ll find a place to put it. give a kid a movie or something on a iPod and watch how fast he loads in the TV or begins to scroll through the iPod. there is a site that is trying to make entertaining education: the Adam Smith Academy:<br />
<a href="http://www.adamsmithacademy.org" rel="nofollow">http://www.adamsmithacademy.org</a></p>
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		<title>By: Jay Cross</title>
		<link>http://www.internettime.com/2008/03/pay-for-performance-in-life/comment-page-1/#comment-1242</link>
		<dc:creator>Jay Cross</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Mar 2008 05:22:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Clark, we agree. Sad but true.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Clark, we agree. Sad but true.</p>
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		<title>By: Clark Quinn</title>
		<link>http://www.internettime.com/2008/03/pay-for-performance-in-life/comment-page-1/#comment-1244</link>
		<dc:creator>Clark Quinn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Mar 2008 23:28:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jay, you&#039;ll have to live with my respect, as I can&#039;t afford to pay you ;).

I totally agree that we should find better ways, but looking at the wretched state of education in this country I&#039;m not optimistic.  I&#039;m suspecting that this was the only consistent way that they could show the kids that learning is valued, sad as that would be.  And if I&#039;m wrong, they have buggered it up.

And you&#039;re right, it&#039;s likely that the learning that&#039;s being valued isn&#039;t really valuable.  No Child Left Untested...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jay, you&#8217;ll have to live with my respect, as I can&#8217;t afford to pay you <img src='http://www.internettime.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> .</p>
<p>I totally agree that we should find better ways, but looking at the wretched state of education in this country I&#8217;m not optimistic.  I&#8217;m suspecting that this was the only consistent way that they could show the kids that learning is valued, sad as that would be.  And if I&#8217;m wrong, they have buggered it up.</p>
<p>And you&#8217;re right, it&#8217;s likely that the learning that&#8217;s being valued isn&#8217;t really valuable.  No Child Left Untested&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Jay Cross</title>
		<link>http://www.internettime.com/2008/03/pay-for-performance-in-life/comment-page-1/#comment-1246</link>
		<dc:creator>Jay Cross</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Mar 2008 03:31:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Clark, I have the utmost respect for your judgment, so I&#039;d be happy to learn more (assuming you pay me. :-))

While tangible rewards may have a longterm effect, wouldn&#039;t you agree that achievement and recognition far outweigh their impact? Schools should experiment with   the wholesome techniques exhaustively before before bribing children to pass tests.

Or course, there&#039;s another issue to consider. Since real life doesn&#039;t have standards tests, what are schools preparing students for?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Clark, I have the utmost respect for your judgment, so I&#8217;d be happy to learn more (assuming you pay me. <img src='http://www.internettime.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> )</p>
<p>While tangible rewards may have a longterm effect, wouldn&#8217;t you agree that achievement and recognition far outweigh their impact? Schools should experiment with   the wholesome techniques exhaustively before before bribing children to pass tests.</p>
<p>Or course, there&#8217;s another issue to consider. Since real life doesn&#8217;t have standards tests, what are schools preparing students for?</p>
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		<title>By: Clark Quinn</title>
		<link>http://www.internettime.com/2008/03/pay-for-performance-in-life/comment-page-1/#comment-1243</link>
		<dc:creator>Clark Quinn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Mar 2008 18:30:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry, Jay, you&#039;ve got to go deeper than this.  There&#039;s research on rewards on learning behavior, and while there is an initial drop-off after stopping the rewards, the baseline does return and there are lasting benefits.

Not that I&#039;m advocating a reward system like this, it&#039;s a pretty shoddy way of showing that the culture really does value learning. However, when you don&#039;t have parents modeling it and it&#039;s not seen in the community, you may need an extrinsic system.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, Jay, you&#8217;ve got to go deeper than this.  There&#8217;s research on rewards on learning behavior, and while there is an initial drop-off after stopping the rewards, the baseline does return and there are lasting benefits.</p>
<p>Not that I&#8217;m advocating a reward system like this, it&#8217;s a pretty shoddy way of showing that the culture really does value learning. However, when you don&#8217;t have parents modeling it and it&#8217;s not seen in the community, you may need an extrinsic system.</p>
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