Comments on: eLearning is not the answer http://www.internettime.com/2009/02/elearning-is-not-the-answer/ from Jay Cross and Internet Time Group Sat, 13 Mar 2010 14:23:14 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Your favorite 2009 posts on Internet Time Blog http://www.internettime.com/2009/02/elearning-is-not-the-answer/comment-page-1/#comment-2832 Your favorite 2009 posts on Internet Time Blog Tue, 05 Jan 2010 21:11:40 +0000 http://www.internettime.com/?p=2077#comment-2832 [...] eLearning is not a big cost-cutter [...] [...] eLearning is not a big cost-cutter [...]

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By: So many thoughts, so little time — Internet Time Blog http://www.internettime.com/2009/02/elearning-is-not-the-answer/comment-page-1/#comment-2211 So many thoughts, so little time — Internet Time Blog Mon, 06 Jul 2009 21:40:31 +0000 http://www.internettime.com/?p=2077#comment-2211 [...] eLearning is not the answer- Internet Time, February 20, 2009 [...] [...] eLearning is not the answer- Internet Time, February 20, 2009 [...]

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By: Matthew Bibby http://www.internettime.com/2009/02/elearning-is-not-the-answer/comment-page-1/#comment-2036 Matthew Bibby Wed, 15 Apr 2009 05:43:31 +0000 http://www.internettime.com/?p=2077#comment-2036 Great post, thanks Jay! The trick is to understand how to organize information so only they essentials are delivered by a push learning and all other information be available via pull learning. Matthew Bibby. Great post, thanks Jay!

The trick is to understand how to organize information so only they essentials are delivered by a push learning and all other information be available via pull learning.

Matthew Bibby.

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By: More on Computerized Learning | Smarter Companies http://www.internettime.com/2009/02/elearning-is-not-the-answer/comment-page-1/#comment-2003 More on Computerized Learning | Smarter Companies Fri, 27 Mar 2009 13:43:11 +0000 http://www.internettime.com/?p=2077#comment-2003 [...] Cross’ thoughtful examiniation here is based on his many years of experience with e-learning in corporations. He defines the critical [...] [...] Cross’ thoughtful examiniation here is based on his many years of experience with e-learning in corporations. He defines the critical [...]

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By: Vaisualua http://www.internettime.com/2009/02/elearning-is-not-the-answer/comment-page-1/#comment-1982 Vaisualua Tue, 17 Mar 2009 21:57:59 +0000 http://www.internettime.com/?p=2077#comment-1982 I like the page.. no it is not the answer to all.. but to some types of learning. It really depends on the subject matter. I like the page.. no it is not the answer to all.. but to some types of learning. It really depends on the subject matter.

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By: Steve Flowers http://www.internettime.com/2009/02/elearning-is-not-the-answer/comment-page-1/#comment-1963 Steve Flowers Wed, 04 Mar 2009 17:41:11 +0000 http://www.internettime.com/?p=2077#comment-1963 Going to respond with two things here Jay: 1) I totally hear what you are saying about eLearning failing as a solo soution. For years I've been trying to influence my managing homies to consider eLearning solutions as part of a larger system. Instead, we have continued to treat them as isolated interventions. In fact, each solution thread has lived in its own stovepipe and never shall they meet or cross paths. eLearning is to total solution as diet pills are to magical weight loss. This is not an exaggeration - you can't lose weight in a healthy way without a balanced program. In my opinion, the same applies to learning. 2) It bothers me when we compare fresh juicy apples to rotten oranges. It is extremely difficult to change a culture to value a solution component when at every turn we are comparing face to face solutions that existed before to what could be and in some rare cases is a superior solution. The face to face solutions that folks refer to are rarely a perfect intervention. So take care not to generalize about face to face solutions 'always' being better. Since this implies that all (name the solution) is always a fresh apple. And that eLearning is always the rotten orange. It's just not a fair comparison. And this comparison makes it hard for the folks that see the path to change to move an organization down that path. Going to respond with two things here Jay:

1) I totally hear what you are saying about eLearning failing as a solo soution. For years I’ve been trying to influence my managing homies to consider eLearning solutions as part of a larger system. Instead, we have continued to treat them as isolated interventions. In fact, each solution thread has lived in its own stovepipe and never shall they meet or cross paths. eLearning is to total solution as diet pills are to magical weight loss. This is not an exaggeration – you can’t lose weight in a healthy way without a balanced program. In my opinion, the same applies to learning.

2) It bothers me when we compare fresh juicy apples to rotten oranges. It is extremely difficult to change a culture to value a solution component when at every turn we are comparing face to face solutions that existed before to what could be and in some rare cases is a superior solution. The face to face solutions that folks refer to are rarely a perfect intervention.

So take care not to generalize about face to face solutions ‘always’ being better. Since this implies that all (name the solution) is always a fresh apple. And that eLearning is always the rotten orange. It’s just not a fair comparison. And this comparison makes it hard for the folks that see the path to change to move an organization down that path.

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By: Dave Wade http://www.internettime.com/2009/02/elearning-is-not-the-answer/comment-page-1/#comment-1960 Dave Wade Mon, 02 Mar 2009 22:52:17 +0000 http://www.internettime.com/?p=2077#comment-1960 Hi Jay, haven't talked in a while. I agree with your statement that elearning needs support and not more powerpoints. I empatically agree with your statements about learning on demand and pull learning. While there is a small learning curve to RSS I think we should rename RSS to the learning on demand center. Thankfully RSS is part of MS Office 2007 so it is right there next to your email. Now getting folks to stop blasting emails and use a reader/blog is the behavioral change that will take time. Hi Jay, haven’t talked in a while. I agree with your statement that elearning needs support and not more powerpoints. I empatically agree with your statements about learning on demand and pull learning. While there is a small learning curve to RSS I think we should rename RSS to the learning on demand center. Thankfully RSS is part of MS Office 2007 so it is right there next to your email. Now getting folks to stop blasting emails and use a reader/blog is the behavioral change that will take time.

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By: eLearning is not the answer | weiterbildungsblog http://www.internettime.com/2009/02/elearning-is-not-the-answer/comment-page-1/#comment-1959 eLearning is not the answer | weiterbildungsblog Mon, 02 Mar 2009 20:27:02 +0000 http://www.internettime.com/?p=2077#comment-1959 [...] “If you want outcomes that are comparable or better than what you were getting from instructor-led workshops, you have to do more than just throw things online. You have to support electronic offerings with mentors, guides, help desks, FAQs, reinforcement, and organizational support. eLearning is not a free lunch.” Jay Cross, Internet Time Blog, 20. Februar 2009 [...] [...] “If you want outcomes that are comparable or better than what you were getting from instructor-led workshops, you have to do more than just throw things online. You have to support electronic offerings with mentors, guides, help desks, FAQs, reinforcement, and organizational support. eLearning is not a free lunch.” Jay Cross, Internet Time Blog, 20. Februar 2009 [...]

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By: Jay Cross http://www.internettime.com/2009/02/elearning-is-not-the-answer/comment-page-1/#comment-1957 Jay Cross Mon, 02 Mar 2009 08:38:28 +0000 http://www.internettime.com/?p=2077#comment-1957 Mindful, I didn't say that 'eLearning doesn't work.' I said eLearning <i>didn't work</i> when it first came out because people expected it to implement itself. Properly supported, eLearning can work extremely well. In fact, I wrote "If you want outcomes that are comparable or better than what you were getting from instructor-led workshops, you have to do more than just throw things online." I still maintain that really bad eLearning is a waste of time and effort. It's demoralizing. I hear you regarding businesses and training departments that are not innovating. It's frustrating as can be. Frankly, I've written them off. Organizations that can't adapt and change are dead men walking. "God grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change; courage to change the things I can; and wisdom to know the difference." jay Mindful, I didn’t say that ‘eLearning doesn’t work.’ I said eLearning didn’t work when it first came out because people expected it to implement itself. Properly supported, eLearning can work extremely well. In fact, I wrote “If you want outcomes that are comparable or better than what you were getting from instructor-led workshops, you have to do more than just throw things online.”

I still maintain that really bad eLearning is a waste of time and effort. It’s demoralizing.

I hear you regarding businesses and training departments that are not innovating. It’s frustrating as can be. Frankly, I’ve written them off. Organizations that can’t adapt and change are dead men walking. “God grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change; courage to change the things I can; and wisdom to know the difference.”

jay

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By: mindful_learner http://www.internettime.com/2009/02/elearning-is-not-the-answer/comment-page-1/#comment-1955 mindful_learner Mon, 02 Mar 2009 00:08:38 +0000 http://www.internettime.com/?p=2077#comment-1955 Hi Jay, I'm with you all the way, but I think we need to get away from this blanket statement that 'e-learning doesn't work'. At least with regard to talking to business owners. The large organisations I do work for have amassed some great financial returns on e-learning, have the test statistics to give some comfort that the courses had some effect and some have even done deeper evaluations and seem convinced some of the learning sticks. So, I don't think they'll be receptive to someone just saying 'it doesn't work'. Their evidence seems to say otherwise. Sure, this model may become outdated and perhaps a more 'pull' approach is the way to go, but I can't say i'm seeing it take hold in many places at all. Also, most of the businesses i'm in contact with seem to have rather traditional business models rather than the crazy pace of change we all seem to talk about. ....hmm...not sure where this is leading. Like I say, i'm with you in spirit but the training/developoment world just seems to move at a glacial speed. Mindful Hi Jay,

I’m with you all the way, but I think we need to get away from this blanket statement that ‘e-learning doesn’t work’. At least with regard to talking to business owners. The large organisations I do work for have amassed some great financial returns on e-learning, have the test statistics to give some comfort that the courses had some effect and some have even done deeper evaluations and seem convinced some of the learning sticks. So, I don’t think they’ll be receptive to someone just saying ‘it doesn’t work’. Their evidence seems to say otherwise. Sure, this model may become outdated and perhaps a more ‘pull’ approach is the way to go, but I can’t say i’m seeing it take hold in many places at all. Also, most of the businesses i’m in contact with seem to have rather traditional business models rather than the crazy pace of change we all seem to talk about. ….hmm…not sure where this is leading. Like I say, i’m with you in spirit but the training/developoment world just seems to move at a glacial speed.

Mindful

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